Would you encourage children to persue the wizard lifestyle? (44)

1 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 16:39 [Del]

Reasons?

2 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 16:40 [Del]

Eh, it's not for everyone.

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4 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 16:49 [Del]

You don't need encouragement to live nigga, besides what's there to discourage?

5 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 17:10 [Del]

When they mature they'll know if they're a wizard or not.

6 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 17:31 [Del]

would you welcome a r9k user?

7 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 17:35 [Del]

>>6
Only if they commit seppuku to restore their honor and show their dedication to the wizard life.

8 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 17:39 [Del]

>>7
too much shitposting on 4chan, can't be regular in any board on 8chan and can't masturbate to real women anymore. Do I qualify?

9 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 17:46 [Del]

Nah.

10 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 18:09 [Del]

Wizardry isn't something you decide to do. Wizards are born naturally, if they grow up a wizard they will be one. Simple as that.

11 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 18:25 [Del]

If they need to be encouraged to be a Wizard, they are not a Wizard.

12 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 18:28 [Del]

>>11
Pretty much. The next wizard generation will come to us on their own.

13 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 18:30 [Del]

>>10
>>11
These. Convincing people to become wizards turns it into a sort of circlejerk club rather than just something that unites a bunch of otherwise very diverse virgins.

Besides, once you start treating it as something you 'join' rather than something you just are, you have normalfags thinking that they are wizards even though they've had sex. Just look at the Anonymous debacle since what was it 2007? When they were all over the news and suddenly every normalfag flooded into 4chad for the epik anonymoose raids?

14 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 18:30 [Del]

One is born into wizardry, moulded by it.

15 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 18:38 [Del]

>>13
Correct. Another thing I've noticed is that it's always the younger folk who are so aggressive and volatile about fitting in. If you're doing all of that manually and not just letting it be a natural result you're bound to end up like that.
It is rather painful to witness one of these people on other sites, knowing that they're coming from here.

16 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 18:40 [Del]

>>15
Wow. I think I'm liking this board already.

17 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 18:44 [Del]

>>13
Yep. Project Chanology killed 4chan.

18 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 19:24 [Del]

I'd encourage children to not feel bad about being unwilling/unable to be a participant in this brutal society of primal hypocrites. It is very hard growing up feeling like there is something wrong with the world but being told by literally everybody that the only wrong is with you.

19 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 19:30 [Del]

>>18
You make a good point. Though whether or not that can be classified as promoting wizardry or not is up for debate. I'd say that it is more encouraging them to act justly and with some measure of courtesy towards those who usually don't get it (wizards/apprentices) than outright promoting wizardry. That said, you could argue the opposite by saying that this line of thought on the nature of is prevalent among wizards and will likely eventually lead to the kid becoming an apprentice and with time a full-blown wizard.

20 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 20:05 [Del]

>>19
In my experience, the painful part of prolonged virginity is constantly being told that you are inadequate as a human because of that (same goes for poverty, ugliness, general loneliness, etc.). "Promoting wizardry" is just telling men who naturally don't fit current society (and thus are going to lack sexual experience) that there is no criteria for being a human being. That they can find value in life through taking steps to get themselves into a position where they are free to be/find themselves and free of the barrage of people telling them they are worthless.

Society has never allowed for the full spectrum of human personalities to flourish, but these personalities outlast society and have inherent value because life itself does. Therefore, promoting wizardry doesn't promote people choosing to become virgins or shut ins or whatever, it just promotes the idea that one has no obligation to do more than experience life in the way that suits them and they should not be ashamed of what suits them.

Of course wizardry was going to become a 'clique' to join, due to the immense pressures against the idea of it. But the essential message has value, and should be promoted: If you find society and the games of social interaction repugnant, that is a valid viewpoint and you should not be ashamed to take steps to remove yourself from it as much as possible.

21 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 20:29 [Del]

>>20
I wonder if this would do any good. The way a certain person feels about themselves would be largely impacted by the popular societal views, or by people who are close enough to them to be deemed role-models.

Sure you can tell them it's fine to just be themselves, but when the world around them reflects an entirely different type of behavior they may still feel insecure about it. And another thing, what those people do is the normal thing to do, the youngins you describe might desire that regardless of their other quirks but have just been unsuccessful. Telling those people to just give up and settle with the wiz life might be even worse. In those cases it's like telling a moth not to fly into the light, even if it does end up for the worse (by our view) they will still do it and get burnt. Late bloomers seem to be in a sort of limbo, maybe they're destined for it, but I like to think they might be better off had they been pushed into society more.

22 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 21:06 [Del]

>>21
It's about people finding peace and comfort within their own situation. For somebody who finds society naturally repugnant, pushing them into it and telling them it is all there is will lead to a painful life. Giving up on trying to make society validate you, and spending that energy on making a personally-validating existence for yourself has to be a good thing.

I'm not saying people should "give up" (on what?) and "settle" I'm saying that humans are not moths - while one human might need to participate in society to feel good (in which case they don't find society repugnant and are not the audience) another might find that he feels best when he rejects status symbols and the futile effort of impressing a society he naturally has no place in.

It's not perfect, but it is better to be okay with no fitting into society (and understanding society's values are transient rather than the criteria for a valuable person) than to spend your life feeling inferior to those who happen to fit in. The faster you give yourself permission to reject social norms, the easier you'll find making a comfortable life for yourself. Example: instead of desperately going to parties you hate and kissing up to cool kids in high school because you feel that is all there is, you focus on studies and developing skills that will aid you in financing a life outside of society.

23 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 21:06 [Del]

>>20
I agree, it is a message that should be promoted, I was more arguing semantics than validity of the point in question.

24 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 21:23 [Del]

>>22
That makes sense, maybe I was reading too far into it.
I was thinking about how my brother and I turned out since we're a picturesque example of this argument. If they were destined for it then sure, it is a good thing to reinforce them and let them know they're not in the wrong, and that their lifestyle is fine, even if it is less popular.

I was thinking about persons who may be uncomfortable or somewhat incompatible with society, but still want to be involved. It seems you weren't talking about them though.

25 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 21:35 [Del]

>>24
Yeah, it could definitely put people onto the wrong path, choosing to hide away out of fear rather than via experience/situational-based choice. But it is nuanced - rejecting the concept of needing to collect social status symbols to feel like you are a valuable person does not require you to "maintain virginity" or abandon the world entirely. In fact, rejecting the need for society's validation might give one the confidence and 'looseness' needed to succeed within it.

Looking within yourself to find out your personal morals and value system, and how you can be true to these based on your situation, is essential to navigating your existence in a way that leads to happiness. Not feeling ashamed of virginity/poverty/etc. is important, and for many people they need somebody to let them know that it is okay to be unusual.

26 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-05 22:50 [Del]

You are essentially promoting abstinence only education if you start to heavily encourage kids to peruse the path of wizardry. Being as religious as I am I full encourage wizardry, that way instead of men spending most of their time and effort perusing women and other hedonistic pleasures they can focus on more important things.

Most problems from being a wizard stem from society treating us badly because of the fact that we are virgin men with little to contribute to society. I'm not saying we should be worshiped but at least treat us like decent people it's not like most normals contribute much to society anyway.

27 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-06 05:26 [Del]

>>26

>Most problems from being a wizard stem from society treating us badly because of the fact that we are virgin men with little to contribute to society. I'm not saying we should be worshiped but at least treat us like decent people it's not like most normals contribute much to society anyway.

Not wanting to sound contrarian just for the sake of it, but most normies try to contribute, while most of us (not all!) live passive, empty, hedonistic life.

28 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-06 06:10 [Del]

>>27

>most normies try to contribute

In what way?

29 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-06 07:44 [Del]

>>28
Wageslaving their lives away for corporations and popping out obedient servants is a good contribution already by society standards.

30 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-06 07:53 [Del]

>>28
Technically speaking, most normalfags at least have an inkling of a desire to impact the planet in a meaningful way.
Most of them just never do.

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32 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-06 11:08 [Del]

Future wizards will find their way here by themselves just like we did

33 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-07 11:32 [Del]

>>30

Most normalfags can't do shit. The people that have an impact on the world almost always have an extraordinary talent, very high intelligence or something else that makes them stand out.

34 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-07 15:33 [Del]

>>33
We're not talking about talent or significant contribution, but just...contribution. Working in any field, on any kind of position is contribution in a way, such as it is. Even the most menial tasks have some significance on society.

35 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-07 15:53 [Del]

>>34
That's not true. Half of them could stop working and the world wouldn't lose anything of value. They work bullshit jobs just so they can earn a wage and waste it mostly on superfluous and vain things. In fact, it's a system that feeds itself. They consume useless things, which creates a market for useless things, which employs people is useless things, and they use their wages to buy useless things. It's the consumerist cycle that feeds itself. If you want to talk "contribution", then most NEETs aren't as bad as most wageslaves.

36 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-07 17:31 [Del]

>>34
Shitting on a pile of shit is a contribution to the pile of shit, but at the end of the day you are left with a pile of shit threatening to drown the whole world. Thus the question arise: is contributing more shit to the ever-growing pile a good thing?

37 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-07 17:40 [Del]

>>36
I wish I was as good at using analogies as you.

38 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-07 19:04 [Del]

>>33

>>most normies try to contribute
>try
>>Technically speaking, most normalfags at least have an inkling of a desire to impact the planet in a meaningful way.
>>Most of them just never do.
>most normalfags at least have a desire to impact the planet
>a desire
>Most of them just never do
>never do

Get some better reading comprehension skills, dude.

39 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-07 19:16 [Del]

Yes, and no.

Kids should find their own path

40 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-07 20:41 [Del]

If there was a way to promote it to hopeless beta/gamma kids so they wouldn't humiliate themselves further, that would be great. But any real attempts at promoting it will end in normies trying to hijack it. The best we could do is encourage people more to live the wizardly lifestyle if they're not fitting in with normies, if we see anyone like that online or something.

41 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-07 21:03 [Del]

>>37
The trick is to compare actions to shitting and the environment the actions take place in to a pile of shit. That way you're guaranteed to create an apt analogy.

42 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 01:58 [Del]

I encourage people to be themselves :^)

If being yourself causes you to be a social outcast, then so be it. Follow the path that makes you happy.

43 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-17 09:08 [Del]

Somehow I read OP's question as "Would you encourage your children to become wizards". The absurdity of such scenario got me laughing.

44 Name: Anonymage : 2019-10-17 16:59 [Del]

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