Struggle with Homosexuality (43)

1 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 04:50 [Del]

I've always been a closet queer, have any other wizards had to lie out of going to things or lied nonstop to hide something?

2 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 08:35 [Del]

Yup. There's some bitter irony with being a closet case as a Wizard. Just one more thing to throw on the pile of things I'm disappointed in myself for, I guess.

Honestly, I find the fact that I'm attracted to dudes disgusting. If electroshock therapy cured this disease, I'd be the first one in line volunteering for it.

3 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 10:21 [Del]

I've been meaning to make a thread for gay wizards to share their stories and feelings for quite a while (I find the subject fascinating, honestly) but I haven't because I'm worried it will get ruined by shitposting and derailments.

4 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 10:54 [Del]

My struggle with homosexuality begins when I whip my dick out and ends when I finish masturbating.

5 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 12:56 [Del]

I think I have some homosexual tendencies, maybe as strong or even stronger than my heterosexual ones. I've never shared this though, and I'll never come out. People are disgusting, and as soon as I masturbate I'm done. I think my homosexual thoughts have something to do with seeing myself in other men. Sometimes I also envy some guys in some ways (as in I wish I had some traits they have) and this bizarrely turns into attraction. I wouldn't ever have sex though, I find it repulsive.

6 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 13:38 [Del]

In my very humble opinion, homosexuals (the same goes for bisexuals) cannot be wizards. Being homosexual (or bisexual), is simply antithetical to the spirit of Wizchan, a community for virgins, who (should) plan on staying that way.

If you're heterosexual, you are attracted to females, who are, as per the rules, not allowed to post on Wizchan. On Wizchan, heterosexuals do not (or rarely) interact with the gender they're attracted to, which is a good thing and the way it's supposed to be.

If you're homosexual (or bisexual), you are (sometimes) attracted to males, with whom you interact on Wizchan. Of course, it's hard to come into contact with other wizards and thus it's not easy to "fall in love" with one, but my point is: you're voluntarily interacting with members of the gender you're attracted to, which goes against Wizardry, or at the very least is "failed Norman" / "involuntarily celibate" behaviour. You should NOT (be allowed to) post on Wizardchan if you're homosexual, as Wizchan would facilitate (homosexual) romantic contact, in that case. Just think about it: you'd be interacting with members of the gender you're attracted to... in a community for virgins. A community for virigns, would facilitate (quite a stretch, but that's what it effectively does or could do) romantic contact. Is that how it's supposed to be? I don't think so. It's one of the main reasons why women are not allowed to post on Wizchan, along with the fact that they cannot relate to us (as well as other men can).

Let this be clear: I'm not somekind of /pol/-retard who hates on homosexual people, just because it's the "cool" thing to do in some Internet communities. I don't care about what (or who) you like and I don't care about what you do, as long as it doesn't bother me (and homosexuality/homosexuals does not/do not bother me). I just think homosexuals have no place on Wizardchan (see my reasoning above).

7 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 14:12 [Del]

Do you feel any attraction to females OP? Also when did you notice your own homosexuality?

>>6
I can see your argument, but I don't think there is much of a problem with homosexuals, but rather with shameless faggots (who might not even consider themselves gay). I feel like gays here are pretty rare, and that most of the "gay" people are just ones with decadent sexual fantasies as opposed to an instinctual attraction. I think those are the people who would be inclined to get romantic, for lack of better word, with others. I'm sure you know the type of people I talk about, they're everywhere online these days.
Though this is just speculation, for all I know OP could be like that or does feel some kind of tension on the matter. Who knows.

8 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 16:23 [Del]

>>6
I'm not sure romantic attraction between users would be that much of an issue. We don't really have avatar/tripfags and blogposting is kept to a minimum. At best they could track one particular wizard maybe across a single thread, unlikely they'd find them again. Unless they began propositioning other users and the others reciprocated I don't see it happening; if it ever did I believe that falls under rule 1 ("Do not post about, express the desire to, suggest or imply that you have had, will have or want to have any personal sexual or romantic experiences").

9 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 16:31 [Del]

>>8
I don't think it's even possible. I don't think any wizards are interested on having romance or sex with anyone else.

10 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 16:56 [Del]

>>6
Like >>8 said, wizards are too impersonal for something like that to happen. In all my years of wizardchan, I don't think I ever saw such a thing happen. You don't see many wizards actually talking about their homosexuality, it usually only happens in the rare instances when someone brings up the topic, which is unlike what happens when women start with their "btw ima grill".

11 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-08 18:32 [Del]

>>7

That depends, yes I do. It's jusy my fag fantasies completely take over my brain. I haven't fantasized about my 2D waif, in years.

Also, a gay man can be a wiz, look at me, I'm 26, and whatever sexual, and a wizard. I would never want to get into a romantic relationship with any of us on this site. Mostly because we're all well, unnatractive, and even if there was a cute wizguy, I still wouldn't. VOLCEL here.

12 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-09 01:46 [Del]

>>11

>It's jusy my fag fantasies completely take over my brain. I haven't fantasized about my 2D waif, in years.

Funny, that's kind of one of the reasons which fucked my relationship with my waifu up. On the other hand I have (had?) legitimate feelings for her, but at the same time I was jerking off to trap hentai and self-inserting as those traps while I haven't had even a sliver of erotic fantasy which would include her.

13 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-09 06:13 [Del]

>>12
It's ok. In men, sex and love are separate things.

14 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-09 09:00 [Del]

>>13

>In men

Are you implying that they AREN'T separate things when it comes to succubi?

And for the record, it isn't separate for me. Even in my fantasies (which is all I have before someone starts implying anything), the only way I can get off is with some love thrown in there.

15 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-09 12:47 [Del]

>>13
If it only was that simple

16 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-10 23:32 [Del]

>>14

>Are you implying that they AREN'T separate things when it comes to succubi?

Yes. For men, generally what makes their dick hard and what they actually love aren't necessarily related. Sexual attraction is biological, whereas love is something that is completely intellectual. Women, on the other hand, don't really have this difference. They feel more of an attachment and infatuation that is both sexual and emotional. As far as I understand, women can't fuck Chad but love Beta. They can use the latter, but not actually love him. I believe evolutionary psychology is important in understanding these differences.

17 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 11:09 [Del]

>>16
What a bunch of bullshit.

I'd like to start by emphasizing the fact that love as it is popularized in fiction does not exist. Sexual attraction based on physical and psychological criteria is an inherent part of the evolutionary system. The supposed "emotional" response to sex in the females of a species is nothing more than programmed emotional dependence on the more physically superior sex in a sexually dimorphic species. Females are programmed to generate the best possible offspring, and tricking the mind into staying with the best possible mate is an easy way to ensure this.

That being said, this evolutionary female psyche is dependent on the environment just as everything else is. I'm sure you're aware that females of our species (and most likely others) are increasingly more likely to have failed marriages the more sexual partners they have had. Some shit has been talked about someone comparing the emotional dependence of females to a piece of tape, and the more you stick the tape to different things, the less sticky it becomes. This is true in many respects (and can be documented to be true for males of the species as well but to a lesser extent).

I'd like to reiterate that "love" does NOT exist. It's a measurable chemical system in the brain. Built by the evolutionary system to "sure up" the sexual reproduction of the species. Does a doe love a stag? Does a bitch love a male dog? No. Do not be fooled into thinking we are somehow above the rules of life. Regardless of how smart we think we are, we are and will always remain stupid animals.

18 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 12:14 [Del]

I am bisexual but I wish I were a full homo. The involuntary interactions I've had with succubi made me to think of them with nothing but disdain. Males are no better, but since I'm also a huge narcissist I know the traits I find attractive (basically the ones I have) are to be found only among other males. Besides, girly clothes looks simply stunning on men with certain predispositions.

>>17

>I'd like to reiterate that "love" does NOT exist. It's a measurable chemical system in the brain.

So love does exist. Why trying to devalue something by calling it a chemical process? Everything that is matter can be reduced to the terms of physics, biology and chemistry. And? Really, the Entzauberung is one of the greatests sins of modern times.

>Wow, what a beautiful sunset!
>What, you moron? Sunset does not exist, the sun is just a spherical ball of hot plasma with internal convective motion that generates a magnetic field via a dynamo process, you are alone, the cosmos is empty, there is nothing out there, I'm gonna kill myself tbh tips!

19 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 13:30 [Del]

>>18
If you read the post, you would know that the reason I put quotes around the word was to show I was talking about the "love" popularized in fiction. The type of love the person I was replying to was talking about.

>Sexual attraction is biological, whereas love is something that is completely intellectual.

Why you insist that taking the magic out of things is a bad thing is beyond me. The universe is far more interesting when we're not talking about it like some motherfucker hocus-pocused the damn thing into existence.

Also,

>tbh

Fuck off.

20 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 15:28 [Del]

>>18

My computer gets searched every year so I have to delete or put all of my androgynous men pictures of 2D background and even some of that andrej pejic collection on a flash drive.

21 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 17:12 [Del]

>>17
I don't necessarily disagree with you. Romantic love doesn't exist as in romantic fiction, I never said that there was some supernatural element to it. "Love" is a bunch of emotions and instincts wrapped around culture.

What I said is that, as far as this goes, "love" is different for men and for women. Women tend to feel affection and sexual attraction towards men that they understand as having power, status and that seem like good providers. Since contraception didn't exist throughout most of human evolutionary history, women tend to have sex exclusively with those men. That is why, for women, sex and "love" (as defined there) isn't easily divorced. "Love", for women, is part of a sexual strategy.

For men, on the other hand, affection and sex are absolutely unrelated. I'm not saying that a man cannot "love" the person he has sex with, but those feelings don't have a causal relationship. For men, "love" is a mixture of affection and an intellectual admiration. "Love" for men is always platonic at some level, an intellectual attachment rather than some sexual strategy.

22 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 17:18 [Del]

>>20
Why does your computer get searched?

23 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 19:45 [Del]

>>22

For no reason my mom does this. So I always keep prepared. Old bat didn't know what hit her.

24 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 19:52 [Del]

>>21
Well, alright. I agree with that.
I suppose I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I flew off the handle at what I assumed you were saying. I apologize for that.

Happens to me a lot since I'm a massive tool.

25 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 19:55 [Del]

>>23
What would doing random searches on a computer do?
All the faggot porn I masturbate to is online. I would never save that kind of shit to my computer, and I don't even get random searches. What makes your mother think she'll find something if you [i]know[/i] you'll be getting searched?
What a dumb fucking plan.

26 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 22:10 [Del]

>>7

>gays here are pretty rare

do you not see all the faggot porn in the fap thread? I think most, if not a noteworthy portion, of wizards are fags.

27 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 22:10 [Del]

hax my anus

28 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-11 22:44 [Del]

>>26
I do but that shit seems to be too common online. There are so many people that claim they "aren't gay" and fap to that.
While it is still gay, I think most of that is a result of their own perversion and not so much from feeling that way from the start. Considering them to be the same seems insulting to the latter. I don't know what goes through either of their minds, so maybe I'm just talking nonsense right now.

29 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-12 01:24 [Del]

>>27
be careful with that meme friend, it's an antique

30 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-12 04:58 [Del]

>>25

Alot of the shit I have is 3 years old.

I don't like to get rid of things just look at my room.

Her random searches happen on a monthly basis, one month I'm fine the next month she goes in during the end of the month.

I've studied her movements jusy during the final days of September she came down and said lemme see that computer.

31 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-14 17:32 [Del]

>>17

>Does a doe love a stag? Does a bitch love a male dog? No. Do not be fooled into thinking we are somehow above the rules of life. Regardless of how smart we think we are, we are and will always remain stupid animals.

You can say whatever you want about brain chemistry and whatnot, and I actually agree with you on that. What you fail to comprehend is that analyzing reactions in the brain only tells you the superficial "how" of things, not the "why".

As of yet humans don't really know how exactly every single thought and emotion works in the brain, and I find it unlikely that a random Wizard on here has the key to understand every secret of the neurosciences.

I loathe people who believe in fairy-tales just as much as you, but you are just as hateful as them because you fall into the opposite extreme: you display a blind belief in science (or rather its vulgarization) that makes you really not that better than the average theist. Of course your beliefs are much more grounded in reality than the Bible, but your arrogance hints at a lack of skepticism that, in itself, is anti-scientific. Because it is in the nature of science to reject dogmatic thinking, and thus any scientific conclusion is never a certainty and could virtually be proved wrong at any given time.

Science always needs a starting point and science does not have all the answers. It can't have all the answers, because you cannot have a scientific theory without assumptions. And the validity of those assumptions can only be empirically proved within certain limits. On top of that Science doesn't know jack shit about the "why" of things. Newton's laws of motion are accepted as axioms because experience seems to confirm their validity, but nobody knows "why" those laws must be that way. We just accept them. Every phenomenon can be interpreted in a variety of ways, and thus your reduction of "love" to some chemical reactions doesn't say anything about the nature of "love" itself.

32 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-14 22:12 [Del]

>>31
No, you're right.
I'm just bitter about people talking about "love" like they do all the fucking time when I have yet to see any evidence for the existence of such a phenomenon. All I've ever seen is fleeting attachment based on nothing but sexual attraction or familiarity.

33 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-15 04:57 [Del]

>>32

We're all pretty sour about norman things and we have the right to be sour at them. But there is no explanation for that feeling around an anime character. Maybe I have not read the science of waifuism, but I remember reading, Homosexuality is caused by a damaged neuron.

34 Name: Anonymage : 2015-10-15 06:23 [Del]

>>18

>but since I'm also a huge narcissist I know the traits I find attractive (basically the ones I have) are to be found only among other males

Holy shit, that's exactly how I feel.

35 Name: Anonymage : 2016-08-28 20:37 [Del]

When my sister found out that I'm gay she talked me into telling the rest of the family, she said it would make me feel like a pressure would be lifted off of me, either she didn't know what she was talking about or she was lying to me because now they keep on asking me to go with them to gay clubs and do other dumb extroverted shit with them as if me coming out suddenly made me want to go to clubs or something.

I liked it better when they knew less about me and how my mind works.

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37 Name: Anonymage : 2016-09-16 18:01 [Del]

>>36
That doesn't sound very wizardly of you anon, if that's even your real name.

38 Name: Anonymage : 2016-09-17 04:49 [Del]

>>36
Reported.

39 Name: Anonymage : 2016-10-19 15:49 [Del]

>>38

>when you realize there is no report button

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42 Name: Anonymage : 2019-11-09 13:11 [Del]

Q)WHAT IS WORSE THAN A VIRGIN ???

-> A FAGGIT VIRGIN...

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